Comments on: Wordpress 2.5.x Design Issues: Why I am staying with my 2.3.3 “Renegade” http://businessmindhacks.com/post/wordpress-25x-design-issues-why-i-am-staying-with-my-233-renegade Thinking about your business on another level. Mon, 14 May 2012 02:18:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Gordon http://businessmindhacks.com/post/wordpress-25x-design-issues-why-i-am-staying-with-my-233-renegade/comment-page-1#comment-2205 Gordon Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:57:57 +0000 http://businessmindhacks.com/post/wordpress-25x-design-issues-why-i-am-staying-with-my-233-renegade#comment-2205 New is not always good...Vista has obviously proven that. <br/><br/>Yes, I think it's best to stick to 2.3.3 New is not always good…Vista has obviously proven that.

Yes, I think it’s best to stick to 2.3.3

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]]> By: Alex http://businessmindhacks.com/post/wordpress-25x-design-issues-why-i-am-staying-with-my-233-renegade/comment-page-1#comment-1980 Alex Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:20:52 +0000 http://businessmindhacks.com/post/wordpress-25x-design-issues-why-i-am-staying-with-my-233-renegade#comment-1980 In reply to @<a href="#comment-1978">Matthew Hill</a>:<br/>Hey Matthew, thanks for your detailed reply and the excellent links, those discussions are very telling indeed.<br/><br/>One would have hoped that the Happy Cog design firm that "helped" in the 2.5.x admin redesign effort would have had a bit more sense, especially regarding the screen real estate.<br/><br/>I think in cases like this the problem is that these designers did not see themselves in the role of a longer-term user, likely because they themselves were not involved with blogging, or at least blogging using Wordpress.<br/><br/>I have actually used our little discussion over at Andrew Boyd's ( <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://onblogging.com.au/2008/04/26/b-is-for-blogging-platform/#comment-3728">*link*</a> ) as a reason to revisit my design for the App Engine, which could then be the base for a truly industrial-strength blogging platform. In reply to @Matthew Hill:
Hey Matthew, thanks for your detailed reply and the excellent links, those discussions are very telling indeed.

One would have hoped that the Happy Cog design firm that “helped” in the 2.5.x admin redesign effort would have had a bit more sense, especially regarding the screen real estate.

I think in cases like this the problem is that these designers did not see themselves in the role of a longer-term user, likely because they themselves were not involved with blogging, or at least blogging using Wordpress.

I have actually used our little discussion over at Andrew Boyd’s ( *link* ) as a reason to revisit my design for the App Engine, which could then be the base for a truly industrial-strength blogging platform.

]]> By: Matthew Hill http://businessmindhacks.com/post/wordpress-25x-design-issues-why-i-am-staying-with-my-233-renegade/comment-page-1#comment-1978 Matthew Hill Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:28:28 +0000 http://businessmindhacks.com/post/wordpress-25x-design-issues-why-i-am-staying-with-my-233-renegade#comment-1978 An excellent post and I had something very similar in mind during the first few days of the 2.5 release. But the more I used it, the more I got exasperated to the point that any objective review would have been impossible.<br><br>I won't go into detailed responses to all your points as it will make my reply way too long. But in regard to #1 and #2 you might like to view the thread where I asked Liz Danzico (Happy Cog Information Archtect) the reasoning behind changes to 2.5:<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://bobulate.com/2008/03/31/wordpress-on-the-street/">*link*</a><br><br>Regarding #5 -- which broadly speaking is about transparency and open-ness: It seems very hard to get anyone at Wordpress to take constructive criticism seriously. A thread on On Blogging Australia highlights the problem -- check out the comments, in particular the discussion between myself (Matthew Hill), Andrew Boyd and Mr.Mullenweg:<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://onblogging.com.au/2008/04/26/b-is-for-blogging-platform/">*link*</a><br><br>There's so much more I could say, but basically I concur with your criticisms outlined above. For me and many others, 2.5 was truly a turkey and unfortunately it has not improved with 2.6. Sure, more features have been added, but stuff that's important to me (stability, usability and accessibility issues for example) still haven't been fixed, despite assurances to the contrary.<br><br>Sadly, I have no faith in Wordpress any more which is a real shame as it started out as such a wonderful system. I still use it on my blog because of the time investment I've spent on it, but certainly in the future when I have more time to investigate other options, I'll be switching to something else entirely. An excellent post and I had something very similar in mind during the first few days of the 2.5 release. But the more I used it, the more I got exasperated to the point that any objective review would have been impossible.

I won’t go into detailed responses to all your points as it will make my reply way too long. But in regard to #1 and #2 you might like to view the thread where I asked Liz Danzico (Happy Cog Information Archtect) the reasoning behind changes to 2.5:

*link*

Regarding #5 — which broadly speaking is about transparency and open-ness: It seems very hard to get anyone at Wordpress to take constructive criticism seriously. A thread on On Blogging Australia highlights the problem — check out the comments, in particular the discussion between myself (Matthew Hill), Andrew Boyd and Mr.Mullenweg:

*link*

There’s so much more I could say, but basically I concur with your criticisms outlined above. For me and many others, 2.5 was truly a turkey and unfortunately it has not improved with 2.6. Sure, more features have been added, but stuff that’s important to me (stability, usability and accessibility issues for example) still haven’t been fixed, despite assurances to the contrary.

Sadly, I have no faith in Wordpress any more which is a real shame as it started out as such a wonderful system. I still use it on my blog because of the time investment I’ve spent on it, but certainly in the future when I have more time to investigate other options, I’ll be switching to something else entirely.

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